Episode 15 Transcript-Katie Hornor

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and we’re like,

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Go where? And do what and what we tell people like Now this is two ministries we’ve left in less than a year. All I could

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remember at that point in time, walking away from that place, hand in hand with my husband, I could hear my grandfather saying God is not surprised.

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And now for the next episode of Letters from home, sending encouragement to your doorstep by capturing the heartbeat of God’s people one story at a time. There are a few people you meet in your lifetime who are changing and impacting our world in a huge way. Today’s guest has vision, heart grit and, most importantly, tenacious love for our lower that drives her to push through the pain struggle, Brokenness and I cant of life to flourish on the other side, celebrating and welcoming everyone in her path to join her as she serves and camp itchy Mexico and in her many ministries throughout the world. When I asked her what I should call this episode, she said humbly, movement maker and I agreed. Here is the everyday extraordinary faith story of Katie Horner. Katie.

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Thanks so much for being on my podcast today. I feel so blessed to have you here. We’re at the Spark Christian Podcast Conference and talking to you in the foyer for what? Almost two hours. We had such a sweet time. A fellowship and hearing your story. I thought, Hey, you you live in Mexico? Why don’t we do an interview now? You said sure

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way. Here we are.

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Katie, tell us a little bit about your upbringing.

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I grew up in the mountains of Western North Carolina. My claim to fame as a teenager was that it was two hours to him all in any direction. Whoa, a a little little Mountain Baptist Church that preached the gospel. And I accepted Christ at an early age of seven after a message at our church and, uh, always had it in my heart to be on the mission field serving in another country. But I didn’t know where, and I was open toe anything. At that point, we had lots of missionaries would come through and visit our church and present on the things that they were doing in these different places overseas and all that God was doing. And quite often we would get to invite them. My parents would invite them to our home after the service for a meal and to be present in hear their stories and was very impactful as a child. And my dad’s best friend from high school had become a missionary in Ecuador. And so we had that connection in that influence from very early as well. I share with you last night living in the mountains, the one picture that didn’t make sense to me. But that always came to me whenever I thought about peace or really felt worshipful of God. Or you would think like it’s mountains or its flowers or it’s for me. It was like sunset over the water, with the sailboat in the clear sky and the sun dipping below the horizon,

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and I didn’t even know liked it, even felt a

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little weird to me. And I mentioned this in one of the chapters and faith like flamingos that

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it it was like it was awkward. It was. I live in them that I never even seen the sunset over the water until I was in college, you know, like we lived eight hours from the ocean and my dad didn’t like

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water, and we were like we didn’t go to the lake for vacations or anything like that.

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So But that was the

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visual that God put in my heart at a young age of peace and, um, so many, many, many years later. I was in my late thirties and we were now my husband, and I, at that point had been in Mexico as missionaries for 12 years. And we’re living in a little coastal town in the south of Mexico, a mile from the ocean, not like the beach ocean, but, like at the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico. So most of the time the water looks like a lake. They There’s this running joke that all the people of our town are lazy because the water’s

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lazy. You know, there’s there’s really

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not waves, unless there’s win like it really looks more like a lake than the ocean. But anyway, we love going to the water and walking like there’s this like eight mile boardwalk along the water at the edge of our town, and we go and you can just see these gorgeous sunsets. My husband, I and whichever the kids were with us Sometimes they all want to go. Sometimes just one or two of them goes, were with us and we’re walking. And all the sudden nighters had this flashback picture of that same sunset picture that I had drawn all my life. Or that I had seen in my head all my life of the sunset, over the water and that a huge sense of peace. And it was like God was confirming to me like, This is This is what I created you for. This is where you’re suppose to be. And he

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put that in meat

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from I small child that picture that vision, that sense of peace and that sense of worship, a recurring theme through my life and through all the hard stuff that he walked us through to get us to that day by the water. That’s how a girl from the mountains ended up by the

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ocean in Mexico.

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Praise the Lord I that that’s just incredible, that God put that in your heart and to see it fulfilled. So how did you get to Mexico and what has your journey? There have been like

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call it whatever you want to call it a calling or surrendering or pivotal point or, you know, whatever that ISS When I was in ninth grade, I had to make a decision that I was willing to stay. It was such a strong pull in my heart to serve overseas that I was scared that God was gonna ask me to stay in the States. Well, and I didn’t want grew in ninth grade and I did not want to stay. I wanted to be overseas. But you know, the Lord works on you and works on Eun works in you and you you come to a point where he realized that you are Onley gonna be happy when you doing what he what he wants you to do even if it looks different from what you want Dio in the moment. All right, But if I’m

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gonna if you want me to stay in the States, you’re gonna have to make that extremely clear that this is what you want me to do. Because from here on

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out, I am focused on going overseas, and I’m just going to accept that your will for me is overseas because you put this desire in my heart and if you don’t want me there. You’re gonna have to shut all the doors and make it extremely clicker. And so in ninth grade I started taking Spanish. You have to have high school language credits, right? And so I started with Spanish because that was what was available. And I thought, If I end up in Russia, it’s got to be easier to learn. 1/3 language after view learned a 2nd 1 So let me just take what’s on hand and get good at it and see what God does with that.

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No great Katie. Yeah,

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So I studied Spanish

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all through high school when I went to college. There’s

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a lot of there’s a lot of you can’t

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stories in my life. I’ve come to call it that you can’t choir like eso. I finally got to college, and I was I knew that there were places and overseas that you could not get into as a minister or as a missionary. But you could get in as a teacher, and so I went to get my map. My degree was going to be an elementary education, and at that point you could choose a minor, a minor of studies. So it was like half the credits of what a major would be. And I wanted to study Spanish. But I also wanted to city music because I’d never had a chance up in the mountains to study music. And I always had wanted to. But there

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weren’t teachers. Now is my chance. I’m going to study music, and and my advisers like you can’t. There’s no way in the

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world you can have an education major and a double minor. You cannot. You’re gonna have to pick one. And I was like, I can’t pick one. I’m going to do both. And she’s like,

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Okay, fine. Do music in Spanish

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this first year, but then second year, you’re gonna have to choose, Okay? I went through first year music and Spanish, and both were a struggle for different reasons, but I kept with it, and second year, we had to go back and get our courses approved by our advisor. So what are you gonna do? Is like, Well, I’m going to take span it. What electives? You know Spanish too, And you know, music. Whatever. Two or three or whatever it waas just like you

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can’t do that as like you can, I’m going to do it. And so, like, it was this bad, like every semester I had

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to go and like, present my case on why I could this was gonna happen. And so long Story short on elementary education. Degree nowadays is a five year program and you are not allowed any miners of Sunny. And I finished an education major with a double minor in music in Spanish and 4.5 years.

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What gave you that confidence and strength to be able to say that? I know. I know. I’ve got this.

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I don’t know if some of it was a rebel thing like watch me

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challenge throw down,

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right, you know, But I also had this. I knew

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that God was taking me somewhere with the Spanish and I knew that, like my my musical studies, I was playing the flute, which was It’s a very portable instrument, right? It’s not even as big as a guitar, and people travel all over with their guitars on their backs. And so this was gonna be a tool that God was gonna use in ministry. And I really felt strongly about that and I wanted to be able Teoh, carry that with me and use it and be prepared and teach others about music. Because music had been a huge part of how I learned who got Waas as a child and I wanted to carry that through after I graduated. I had already been on multiple mission trips, really seeking out. I’ve been to Puerto Rico, I’ve been to Costa Rica. I’ve been to multiple places in Mexico and visited different ministries with the express purpose of Is this where you are? I really felt like God was leading me to a little town in northern Mexico to a church that wanted to start a Christian school but didn’t have anyone qualified. And I applied to a mission board for for sponsorship as a single missionary, and I was going to go and help this church in Mexico, started Christian school, and I went down the summer after graduation and started looking for a place to live and started, You know, getting involved in applying for my visa because at that point you weren’t allowed to live and work in Mexico, just a za tourists like legitimately, you needed to have some sort of a ministry visa. And so I started doing the application process and they denied my visa. And I was, like, Floored. Now what? And all my hopes and

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dreams. I didn’t again. It’s like you can You can’t do this. Yeah, I was like, but yes, I can. What do you do in

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here, Lord? You know, And so I ended up going back to college. I was like, I’m not in a relationship. If I’m going to go back to school, now would be the time to do it. And so at that point, under a work scholarship in the Masters program, I was going to have a job that would allow me flexible hours so I could get all my work study hours in the front of the week. And as soon as my classes were done on Friday, I could take off. And my plan was to take long weekends and go present my ministry to different churches as I was getting my master’s degree so that by the time I finished my degree, I would have the support I needed to go back and do this. So I signed the contract for the work study, and I moved into my apartment on campus, and I was supposed to start work the next Monday. And then they called and changed the contract on me and we were not going to be allowed to have flexibility with our hours. And so again, it was a you can, right, right, And and I was like, You’re right, I can’t do that. I need to be free to go and do what God has called me to do and raise what I need to go back to Mexico. I didn’t change the terms. You change the terms and I can’t agree to this anymore. And so, in a weekend, I had to find housing off campus, find a job and still show up for classes on Monday morning, and I was attending a Spanish church, and there was a sweet, sweet old couple from Venezuela who had a basement apartment. Several of the young college guys who had vehicles helped me move all my stuff over there temporarily, and I lived with them for about a month and 1/2 until the apartment I was gonna rent next door to campus became available. And then anyway, so So it all were. Little Lord worked it all out, right? And it was during the time that I was in my Masters program that my husband and I became really good friends. He had been in Mexico as a missionary kid since he was 15 with his parents, and he had come back to Bible College not to train as a pastor but to train in construction in business with the express purpose of going back to Mexico and helping in ministry. I was not at that point. I was not interested in any guy who wasn’t going to Mexico, right? But I did. I did sort of have my eyes on a tall, handsome Hispanic who had amazing heart for God. But he was totally not interested in me. And my husband was I was looking at another you know, little, little, tiny, short, curly haired Hispanic girl

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who was totally not interested in him. But we all run in this. We all ran in the same circles and had the same friends. And so he and I were together multiple times in in those friends situations, in church activities and school activities and things with the same group of Hispanic kids at the college, and we knew all

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the same people. But we’ve never really seen each other right until both. It became obvious that both of those other things were not working out, and we realized we were such good friends, and we just started spending more and more time together. He was one of the people with the car, so help me move into the apartment. And then I had pictures to hang and curtain rods to put in a washer to install and like all this stuff, and we just kept spending more and more time together, I

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got to the point where if you like, so you dating and I was like I don’t think so. He hasn’t asked me to be his girlfriend, but we’re really good friends. And he had told me later, he’s like, You’re the first girl that would ever listen to me talk, you know, and I liked hearing you talk and

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I talk a lot. Obviously certainly that’s how it started and we were really good friends for a year and 1/2 and then the Lord let that lead to marriage and we we got married and we paid off school debt. And then we started raising support to go to Mexico.

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So you got to Mexico and I know you have five Children. So what is the journey you’ve been?

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We had to raise our own

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support. Sort of like a charity or a nonprofit would, um, present what we were going to the work we’re going to do and ask people to pledge money to support us. And after three years of doing that, like church to church, to church all over the United States, we still only had about 50% of our support and a lot of churches who run their missions that way. Ah, lot of them don’t want to be involved in things that are not specifically church planting, right? And so he wasn’t a pastor. Number one, and we were not going to a church planting ministry. We’re going to go help in a Bible college in Mexico. We ended up having a sponsor who eventually said, You guys need to get there. So for the next two years, I’ll pledge to make up the difference in your support so that you can get there and get working and get going, which is a huge blessing. And so our first daughter was born before we moved. And then our second daughter was born two months after we got there, and then our our son was born a little over a year later. And, um, I went through a severe severe postpartum depression after my son was born and my husband was busy in ministry stuff 12 15 hours a day and I was home alone with three kids under three and no one to talk. Teoh and my family that I could call long distance didn’t know. I didn’t understand where I was in the culture and the things that were going on, and I didnt know the signs have never been around anyone with depression. My family from a long distance didn’t see the signs. My husband was only home at night. Nobody knew what was going on inside of my head. And my heart is I was struggling to just do life without hurting anyone from day today, right? And eventually we realized that I needed to get some help because something was off and I got some blood work done, and they we went back to get the results and they’re like,

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we think we made

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a mistake. Your numbers were like 600 times what they should be. And so we want to run the test again and the test came back with the same numbers and they like you need help. Now we need to get you into an endocrinologist and an o b g y n and like, this is not good. The relief that you feel when you realize you’re not a crazy person, you’re not a bad person like this could actually be caused by some. I’m not a number. Some physical things going on, you know, two things that really, really helped was one knowing what the problem was so we could attack it correctly. Number two. What saved me and protected my Children in a lot of cases was the previous knowledge that I had had of the word and being able to control your thoughts and bring it back to truth. And that is why, even now, truth is one of our core values in our business. It’s no matter what I’m teaching, whether it’s business or home school or parenting or anything, it always starts with the truth. Now, I knew that this this is more possible to happen to someone who already has a hormone imbalance kind of thing, right on dso hormone treatments and whatever. And then eventually we also found essential oils and essential oils. Really, really helped to stabilize some of those hormone swings. And later on, when I had issues with anxiety attacks because of some other things that we went through in Mexico kiss truth and and the medical and the natural health combined have really, really helped us to stabilize and bring us

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through. It took a while for your body to balance out.

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So I was like

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dealing with all your Littles. Uh and Oh, yes, and you’re doing You’re serving. What was your work like in the church at that point?

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We well, at the at the Bible College. My husband was in charge of the student work programme work scholarship, kids. I had jobs on campus and in started the construction program. There’s a couple big construction things that happened while we were there, and teams that would come in to help and different things. And so he worked very long hours and then on the weekends all the students divided up into different church plants in the city and things. And so we were involved in a local church plant as well. And often our entire Sundays were sunny service and hosting students in our home for lunch and then going back to church and then after church things and liking it was just We were very, very, very busy. As we grew in ministry and in maturity, we started to asked Cem Assam questions about things that maybe we didn’t understand, to want to participate more in a way that would continue to make the ministry better. And it was not well received. And I’m not saying we did everything correctly because there’s two sides to every story, right, right, But being new on the the new kids in the ministry, being young, it didn’t go well, and we started wondering if this was really where the Lord had us fur to be forever or if the Lord had something else. And about that time we received a new invitation from a widowed missionary on the other side of Mexico who had a Children’s Home ministry, and they had been there for 40 some years and I had gone as a teen on mission trips to the their ministry, and she was she was essentially looking for a young couple to come in and take over the leadership of this Children’s Home Ministry into the future. Several people in common not been a good fit for different reasons, and and she felt like with us being in Mexico and being fluent and my history of the ministry and things as well that that this would be a good fit, and so she was inviting us to come. We sought the Lord as a couple and really felt like that’s where he was directing our steps. But of course, when we presented that to the leadership of the Bible, College didn’t really go over well on DSO. Things really went downhill quickly there, and we ended up pretty much being being expelled and painted as rebels and not submissive to authority and things. And they slandered us to all of the supporters who had been emotionally and financially supporting what we were doing at the Bible College. That also meant we lost our mission board when we changed ministries because they were not involved like this was a completely different thing. We left that ministry broken. But sure, we were doing the right thing. And one of the things that the Lord used to to show us that we were you know, we we need a sign. We’re getting criticized from all sides. We really feel like this is what you want us to dio But we need to know Very shortly after praying that prayer, we found out we were expecting our fourth child. Yeah, and we knew that that was God’s confirmation for us. And you can believe in signs or you could not believe, you know, I know Gideon and the polices were all in the Old Testament. But in our lives, that was what we needed to confirm that we were on the right path and as hard as it Waas. There’s not a day goes by now that we’re not thankful that the Lord moved us from that position to the new Ministry. It was not to say it was easy. It was probably one of the most difficult things we live through in our lives as a family. And it’s had lasting effects in different ways because when you hurt people. There are scars. But the Lord heels Yes. And that’s where my fourth child got the name Joe SIA. Because Joe SIA means our God heals. And he was. The pregnancy was all during that transition time. We had Teoh from one day to the next. We lost our support system. We lost our our financial support. We lost our friends well, you know, And we lost the people we had been ministering to. Our Children lost friends. We lost things, and I know they’re just things. But sometimes things are emotional. You know, I remember my daughter being so upset over a bicycle she’d gotten for a birthday that we had to leave behind. And you don’t you want to trust and you don’t want your kids to grow up saying, God only takes away. But Job said

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that he gives and he takes away yes, and we bless his name anyway. And that’s what God was teaching

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us. And that’s what he’s still teaching my Children. And my story is not her story. And I keep remembering that, and when God works healing in you, then he can use the story he’s created in you For his glory. Yes, and that’s really that’s what all of this about, right? So

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we moved to the other. We moved to the other ministry. We had to give stuff away. We had to sell stuff we

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had. Whatever we had to just get out. We

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put some stuff in storage, and

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then we ended up having to have a huge massive yard sale for whatever we had anyway. The furniture that we bought with our wedding money we had to sell. You know the photo albums had to be left behind because now we’re going to a different side of Mexico and way have to fly in. It was it was five days drive down to where we were going to be ministering. It was too dangerous to drive number one at that point in history. So it was us in two kids and a seven months pregnant belly and 15 suitcases, and that’s all we took. And we were gonna have an apartment on campus at the Children’s home, which we had to renovate when we got there. Fine furniture full

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for So anyway, nine months into the Children’s

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Home Ministry, the missionary lady comes to us and says this is not gonna work. You gotta go.

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What? Saving right? That’s what we said right there. Praise God. There was no like

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there was no gossip. There was no accusation of wrongdoing or oven bells. It, like Lord Super, protected us from anything that like that that could have happened. It was simply a matter of she had brought us in, hoping everyone would fall in love and live happily ever after knowing that her national staff was not in agreement with her decision to bring in an outside leadership. And we’re like,

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Go where? And do what and what we tell people like. Now this is two ministries we’ve left in less than a year. All I could

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remember at that point in time, walking away from that place, hand in hand with my husband I could hear my grandfather saying, God is not surprised and I This is a if you want to read it without the tears. It’s in my book in spite of myself. And I shared shared that story. But my grandfather all my life I remember him saying in different circumstance things would happen. Things would go wrong. Things would unexpected whatever he would say over and over and over again. God is not surprised. Scripture says that the knowledge of God gives you peace and gives you grace and peace Number one means you Calm down and you can think a little

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more clearly. And grace is divine enablement a strength I didn’t know I had right an unmerited favor. So if I know who got is and I know that God is not surprised, then that means God either ordained this

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situation or allowed it to happen for a reason and in knowing him and knowing that fact about him and that he is sovereign and all that he does. And if I believe that he is good in all that he does, then I have his strength to deal with this. And I know that this is his favor, his way of doing something good. And so when we thought about it like that, we were able to say, Okay, God, it wasn’t people that brought us here. You brought us here. Why? What’s next? And so initially we threw ourselves into a local ministry with the national pastor and that we worked with another national pastor for a time Eventually we worked in it. We started a church plant in an area of the city that didn’t have a fundamental work in the In the course of all of that, we were beginning to homeschool our Children, and we started looking around at all of the resource is that were available to Spanish speakers who might want to home school their Children, and we realized there was a severe lack of materials available. So again, remember, I have a masters in teaching and curriculum development.

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In 2000

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11 there was three companies that you could get home school material in Spanish from. And I’m not talking about, like, teacher kids Spanish. I’m talking about like if I want to do if I want a home school, my kids like I want I need history and science and math and language arts and all of that in Spanish because I don’t speak English, right? That kind of home schooling. There was three companies you could get material from, and you had to make a phone call to the States in English to order the

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materials like go figure,

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Right? Right. So we’re like, OK, so looking at the market and looking doing a little

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bit of research. It was apparent to us like homeschooling had been promoted in Mexico through the work of Mike Richardson for about 20 years at that point, and Mike was was pretty well known for promoting homeschooling and really good at giving the biblical basis of why, why it’s important to train your Children and the importance of the character education and building them up. The word of God is the parents responsibility for the education of your kids, right? But there was no one giving them a how like, now that I’m convinced that I need to do this, or now that I have a conviction that this is the way I want to educate my kids, there was no one to give them the practical tools to do it. And so there again, we said, Well, we that’s something we could dio And of the curriculums that were available, we were using a literature based curriculum for our Children. There

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was no such thing in Spanish, and so we we ended up creating the Onley literature

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based homeschool curriculum that exists even today in the Spanish world and its preschool and kindergarten and first grade through sixth grade. A complete package of books and the teacher’s guides. It teaches you what to do every day to home school. Your kid through this year of school. Um and we put it. We put a website up and we put an online store and we But

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we had to learn on how to do both that, Like my dad was an entrepreneur. My grandpa was an inventor, and I was around business and business conversations all my life. But I had never been trained in it because my heart

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was to be on the

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mission field, right? So I had. This was like ground zero for us. My husband had a very basic business degree like it not even a under. Like he had, like, a business certificate, not a most of what

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he done was in the practical, like the electrical in the plumbing and the you know, all of that and just a

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few business classes. And so all of

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this was new territory for us, and

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we started like, we literally one of the reasons

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that we did it, not just seeing the need, but also like, how do we provide for ourselves because we no longer had the support coming in that we needed to make it From day to day. We were on a tourist visa, so we couldn’t work in the country to start with. We change that eventually. Now a permanent residency. We

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couldn’t couldn’t get a job right and we didn’t couldn’t. We didn’t have a credit card and we didn’t have any savings

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because we’ve been living on donations for 34 years. And now

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we didn’t have donations coming in. Not as many. Not enough. So we really felt like this is the

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way that the Lord was opening up For us to build a ministry to these families, give them a way to prepare their kids for what God was creating them to be, while also bringing in an income that would support our family. And that’s really what the Lord it’s done. He’s grown that into where we were able to essentially transition from being a traditional missionary, supported by donations and making every decision based on who’s gonna drop me if I do X, y or Z, and they don’t like it to really being able to support ourselves and follow the Lord’s leading with what he wants us to dio. I remember at the beginning looking at my husband one day, one laptop computer in the house and staying up late, working on this and trying to get all the things done for family and business and growing and learning, marketing and all the stuff. And I looked at him and I said, Tap, when the Lord allows us to bring in a full time income for us, I want to teach other women how to do this, too. And he’s like it. That’ll be great,

spk_3:   31:36
Good man,

spk_1:   31:38
you know, And he is super easy

spk_0:   31:40
going. But he’s also very strongly opinionated on certain things. And I am

spk_1:   31:46
usually he’s usually

spk_0:   31:47
very positive until it comes to like future plans. And then I’m the positive visionary, and he’s like the down to earth like, OK, hold your balloon

spk_1:   31:55
down a little bit, you know. So, anyway, it was 11 4000

spk_0:   32:00
12 ish. We started lemon haas dot com, and it provides preschool through sixth grade material to those who home school their kids in Spanish in the Spanish language Lemon Houses, L E M O N. Lemon Haas H A s s.

spk_1:   32:14
Then we added in the training component because what we realize Waas if you have never

spk_0:   32:19
heard of homeschooling before and now you suddenly realize this is a thing and it’s available to you before you’re ready to buy material, you got to get some questions answered. So we were getting all, like, recurring themes of How do I know it’s legal in my country? And how do they get their studies certified once they finish elementary school? And

spk_1:   32:38
how can I teach

spk_0:   32:38
if I’m not a trained teacher and all these other things? So we created a certification program for the parents to be able to go through a six week intensive training with group coaching and, you know, study modules and things to be able to understand, get those questions answered, discover the learning style, their Children, what kinds of materials to look for, how to put together your home school day schedule, like from a very practical standpoint and feel confident, right? And we give

spk_1:   33:03
him a certificate at the end. So now they can say, I’ve had

spk_0:   33:06
training. I could do this right. It’s the confidence piece

spk_1:   33:10
and then they’re ready to

spk_3:   33:11
look for materials. So are you and your husband generating all of these materials and doing all the coaching all the while trying to take care of your family?

spk_0:   33:22
Yes, where it’s very much a team effort and I am the natural teacher. And so most of what you see is me from the outside looking in, but it it’s like, No, none of the decisions are made without him, and he is definitely the backbone of the organization. And he handles all of the like, the inventory of our materials and the shipping and a lot of the customer service and does a lot of the any any of the local ministry that were still involved with We have a coffee shop ministry way are in a local church now and attending there is construction skills like he’s still evangelizing the neighbors as we’re helping unplug a toilet or hanging a door or, you know, whatever Weaken Dio to show Jesus to the people, but then also teaching parents like we

spk_1:   34:14
now have we hosted. It’s so cool to

spk_0:   34:17
be part of something that’s never happened before, right?

spk_1:   34:19
But as far as we know, until 20

spk_0:   34:22
17 no one had ever done any kind of online summit for Spanish speaking home educators. And so we were going to these conferences in Mexico of 100 people or 200 people and taking our materials and giving sessions to these parents and on our

spk_1:   34:42
Facebook pages, we’d have like, someone from Chile. Where do you come into Chile when you come into Ecuador? When can you bring in a conference? El Salvador, right. What we’re like, we can’t. There’s no way.

spk_3:   34:57
Oh, wait. Is this one of those UK?

spk_1:   34:59
Okay, right, right. You can’t. And I said, Wait a minute. Yes, we can. Yes, we can’t. There is, for some reason, like it was not for nothing that we have had

spk_0:   35:09
a website since 2007 right? It’s not for nothing that we had to learn all the html ourselves and all the marketing ourselves has, like no one else is taking this online to the homeschool community in the Spanish world. Way could do that right.

spk_3:   35:23
Praise the Lord.

spk_1:   35:26
So in 2017 we organize

spk_0:   35:28
our first online summit for Spanish speaking homeschoolers, and I couldn’t get anyone to support it. We had been trying to get Home School, Legal Defense Association on board and some of these other organizations to give us some help and some legitimacy. And nobody would do anything. I was like, That’s fine. We’ll do it ourselves. So we did it ourselves. We had eight or nine speakers, including my husband and I. We didn’t. We did

spk_1:   35:51
the summit. We had 80. Some families participate in the summit, mainly from Mexico, a few other countries. And this was this was

spk_0:   35:59
the in 2017. No. 2018. I’m sorry. 2018 was the first year we did the summit. And then in 2019. Now I’ve got a history, right? So, marketing tip if you got business people listening, right? Like now

spk_1:   36:13
we’ve got proof. We got some social proof and whatever. So now we go back to

spk_0:   36:17
these organizations umbrella schools and H S L. D. A. And some of these other players saying

spk_1:   36:22
We did this on our own last year, and we had 84 families from thes countries participate. We want to do it

spk_0:   36:30
again this year, and we would love to give you the opportunity to be involved so we can introduce our people to you and what you’re doing, right. You make it about them and how this is gonna benefit them to be involved. And so H s L D a came on board. Oh, yes. We would love to be a part of lying.

spk_1:   36:48
Thank you. Jesus have only been praying for this for how many years, but and it was great because they’re wanting to expand into Latin American countries and we have the audience so we can introduce our people

spk_0:   36:59
to them and what they’re

spk_1:   36:59
doing. And we gain a sort of legitimacy because their partner now and now we look like we’re for real because these people have recognized that we’re for real and it gives you that sort of positioning. And so then we could go to schools and say, H S L. D A. Is partnering with us. We loved a few partner to and in the marketplace. People don’t want to be out done. And so oh, well, if they’re in in that, I’m in. I want a piece of this, too. And so we were able to gain some

spk_0:   37:27
support this year, have more teachers involved, and in 2018 we reached 5024 families from 60 countries around the world with that online summit. Just incredible wickedness.

spk_1:   37:45
And I’m like and I would have been happy to be in a 30 30 person

spk_0:   37:49
orphanage for the rest of my life, and God said. But

spk_1:   37:55
I got something better. You know, I got something better. And in the in, the Spanish is the fastest

spk_0:   38:01
growing demographic in the world. It’s the second largest language in the world, and

spk_1:   38:06
they don’t have the option or they don’t know they have the option of this other kind of education that can be so much better for so many Children. When you tell people all the time, we’re not raising Children were raising. Tomorrow’s leaders were raising tomorrow’s politicians and doctors and presidents and preachers and, you know, like we’re raising tomorrow’s leaders. And if we can’t give

spk_0:   38:32
them the option to a better education and a personalized education, because

spk_1:   38:37
I believe in personalizing it, too, not just your learning style, but the talents

spk_0:   38:41
and the abilities of your Children and being able to have the freedom to push them in the direction of their

spk_1:   38:47
gift ings. Most secular schools, everybody learns the same thing. Everybody’s tested the same way you’re expected to compete on this base of knowledge where everyone is equal. And the minute that you graduate from high school, we suddenly want you to stand out for something and be different so you can get the best job. Or that whatever, when all we’ve taught you to do is be equal in the same as everyone else all of your life. And that’s a disservice. Why can’t we be pushing them in the direction of their talents and gifts from second grade or from fourth grade? Or, you know,

spk_3:   39:18
for such a time? Is this exactly this ministry that just made me think All these parents thinking about What is my kids gifting? Is there some kind of ah community that you have for way for everyone to communicate? In addition to the summit,

spk_1:   39:32
all of what we do

spk_0:   39:33
with the homeschool program is in Spanish, so it it’s not a bilingual thing we don’t do. I don’t do. There are enough teachers and trainers and materials available in English. That’s not my market, so were specifically focused on helping Spanish speakers. But if you know someone who speaks to mannish or has a bilingual situation and they want help or information about home schooling. We have a Facebook page that is lemon house. From there, you can find our international Homeschool Group that has several 1000 people in it. Now. After we created the six week training for parents, we realized they needed follow up. Like, now that I’m implementing, I’ve got more questions. So we do have AH membership called

spk_3:   40:13
Club Lemon Haas Club Lemon Hoff’s

spk_0:   40:15
It is a It’s a monthly membership for the homeschool moms, and we do have pre recorded much training materials that get released on a monthly basis on some topic or another that is relevant to home school. And then we actually have to live coaching calls every month.

spk_1:   40:32
And we have a WhatsApp

spk_0:   40:33
group for people that because WhatsApp is big in Latin America, and so for the communication and the

spk_1:   40:40
fellowship, because a lot of what these people are number one. I don’t know

spk_0:   40:43
anyone personally who’s doing this right. I’ve heard about it. I’m interested in it or my kid needs special help that they’re not getting. But I’m

spk_1:   40:51
not confident, cause I don’t I don’t know

spk_0:   40:53
anyone firsthand who’s ever done this or there’s no one in my city or there’s no one in my country or whatever, and so creating this online community has allowed them to realize I’m not alone and creating the membership. Then where we’re actually on a zoom calling, you can talk like I’ve got a mom from Guatemalan, a mom from Ecuador in a mom from Texas and a

spk_1:   41:12
mom from Mexico City. And, you know, and we can talk with these other moms in these other places and shared experience like she’s going through the same thing with her teenagers I am, or she’s trying to. She’s Starling with her first grader to get him to read, and so am I. And now I

spk_0:   41:28
can share what I’ve learned to help someone else. Or they can share what they’ve learned with me, and it becomes a community now that’s empowering them to do what they were called to Dio.

spk_3:   41:40
Yes, you mentioned earlier that you have the heart to not only have this business for yourself, but that the Lord would use you to help other women be able to do that. Has that come to pass?

spk_1:   41:53
Yes. So So all of that is the Spanish

spk_0:   41:56
side under the Lemon Haas brand. We also have the English speaking side of our business that is focused on English speaking women, entrepreneurs and primarily they. They are women over 40 usually going through some sort of a transition in their life where they know I have a message to share. There’s there’s a bigger purpose for me, right? Usually our kids air starting to get out of the house. By this point, we’re starting to think what’s next? And so

spk_1:   42:25
most of the women that that I help come to me and I have a

spk_0:   42:29
message. But I don’t I don’t know marketing or I don’t know the tech to put up a website or do a podcast, or I think I should be writing a book or speaking on stages. But I don’t know how to do that. And so I am able to give them, like, simplify those instructions or help them create that vision that takes them from this is just a hobby, too. Oh, this could be a business that also has a purpose, right? And brings in money for. So I don’t I don’t always just have to serve for free. This could actually support itself so that then I’ve got the money to grow it bigger and reach more people. Um, in 2020 15 we created the block connection, and you could find that at the blood connection dot com. And it is a membership for new to intermediate bloggers or online business owners. It’s a women exclusive group. It’s a community of women who have this message, and they want to grow it, and they want Teoh start

spk_1:   43:26
bringing an income.

spk_0:   43:26
And so we’re teaching on product creation and affiliate marketing and email sequences and community growth and things like that in that monthly membership. And then as they grow, I realized that there was more of a need for some of them in a higher level. And so we’ve since also created the Queen’s Mastermind, which is a 2012 month program where we have a curriculum that we follow every month. But we also do live coaching, and we get together twice a year at a retreat and go deeper into your business. And the queen’s mastermind is really focused on that higher level of scaling your business off, growing your team of leadership of legacy like why

spk_1:   44:13
am I doing this anyway? Like when you first start? When I first started, it was about the money. Like we needed

spk_0:   44:18
money to live and feed our family, and there is nothing wrong with that at all. But the longer you’re in it, the more you realize there’s a bigger purpose and helping them see what that purpose is and be intentional with everything that they’re doing so that it lines up with what God wants them to leave behind as an impact for the next generation.

spk_3:   44:39
What is your business Mission statement or your Your purpose and reason.

spk_0:   44:45
I believe my calling for the English business is to help other women get their message out. I fully believe that if you are still here and you are still breathing, you have a message somebody still needs to hear right. And I don’t if you

spk_1:   45:02
all I cant do that. Someone so is already teaching on that. Well, who cares? They have people who will hear from

spk_0:   45:09
them and learn from them that would never hear from you and learn from you. And

spk_1:   45:12
God has prepared people who can Onley learn from you what they’re supposed to hear. So If God is asking you to do this, you need to get out there and do this and and all of these roadblocks, some of it is the I Kant’s, and they just need somebody to say I believe in you. You can do this faithful and see that’s called you

spk_0:   45:30
who also will do it first. Thessalonians 5 24

spk_1:   45:33
If he has called you to this, he will put you, give you

spk_0:   45:36
what you need to do it. And

spk_1:   45:37
that may be me. Or that maybe another group or another coach or a class or something. You can

spk_0:   45:43
do this if this is what he’s called you, too. And I have a client whose message is that you can live a better life with less stuff. You don’t have to tie your worth to the things that you own, right? She’s in the tiny house base. Have another one who is in the financial space. You know you can. You can run your money instead of your run it money running you and you can You can live in a way that honor Scott and still meets all of your needs. If you if your steward your money correctly. And

spk_1:   46:11
those are those air generational

spk_3:   46:13
messages. What an important ministry. Where are you in your family today?

spk_0:   46:19
So church wise, we had a I worked in a church plant for about seven years. Our area of Mexico has had the gospel ever since. The first Europeans. It’s it’s one of the first in our town is one of the first church buildings on the continent. So we had some sort of form of the gospel in our area for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years, and it’s inundated. We have all stripes and colors and sects and cults and religions. And we even had Teoh when we arrived, not identify ourselves as any certain denomination because all of them had their own reputations by that point. And most of them were not good, you know. And so we were Bible believers, and we walk with Jesus. We did try to do a church plant in our area, and we worked at seven years. We were faithful until we said we will do this until the Lord shows us to do something else.

spk_1:   47:15
For what? I don’t know his

spk_0:   47:16
reasons, but he never chose to grow that work right. And so we’re not responsible for the results were responsible for the faithfulness. And that’s what we had to keep telling ourselves and keep telling our Children in the face of another. Um,

spk_1:   47:29
why are we going

spk_0:   47:30
to church today, Mom? Nobody’s coming anyway. You know how hard that is to hear an answer when you’re feeling the same way? Um, it was it was hard and then to have outside criticism or criticism from those who were still supporting the ministry in some way. What are you doing, wires? Why is there no fruit like? Well, we don’t We don’t know.

spk_3:   47:56
All the while you’re having this incredible mission field and fellowship opportunity and this giant, burgeoning business. And and

spk_0:   48:07
nobody sees that his ministry

spk_3:   48:09
And nobody sees that his ministry. And we’re just gonna call fruit number or some sort of right fourth that you fill it out and say

spk_0:   48:17
right, And one of our church is one of them that actually gave us prior notice that they were going to drop our financial support. Unless we’ve missed some sort of a report of salvation is and baptisms in the last six months, we’re gonna end support on such and such a date.

spk_1:   48:31
But when we when we tell them about five

spk_0:   48:33
1000 families getting equipped to train their Children to serve God and giving them the tools they need to build strong families and build character into their kids and give them a better education, that’s not ministry. It’s like it doesn’t

spk_1:   48:47
count. And you’re like,

spk_3:   48:48
Wait now where the scriptures and what God says about how we relate in what’s a fit

spk_1:   48:54
in this right formula. I know life is ministry, you know? And I think, what pastor? In any denomination would you expect to come back to the church every Sunday and tell them? Well, I met with such and such

spk_0:   49:06
a couple this week talking about their marriage problems, and

spk_1:   49:09
I met with so and

spk_0:   49:10
so and we, you know, we talked her down from her suicide attempt this week.

spk_1:   49:14
You just can’t talk about stuff like that. And yet that’s what missionaries

spk_0:   49:18
are expected to report on to those who financially support them.

spk_1:   49:22
What’s the motive here like, are we just trying to live? A works based thing is it’s just all about the sensational story, so weaken feel good, or like what’s really going on. Why is it

spk_0:   49:36
so important to know the details and not just say? I trust that God is working even though I know there’s things you can’t share several years in a row we hosted women’s conferences in Mexico is the first time in our area that women’s Bible conferences have been held for multi church congregations. We were not tied to any certain church, and we just said we invited all of them, bring your ladies in common. So the first year we had a really good crowd because most people were curious

spk_1:   50:05
and then it started dwindling. And by the third or

spk_0:   50:08
fourth year, we we realized that this is probably our last time to do this. There just wasn’t enough interest. And so we stopped and we were getting some really good encouragement when those types of things were happening in terms of from our supporters and people in other places, looking at the ministry from afar,

spk_1:   50:26
and then we stopped doing

spk_0:   50:27
them and what we realized Waas. Now these ladies had the confidence to do it themselves, and we started hearing about this church over here holding their ladies conference and

spk_1:   50:36
somebody said. Does that bother you? Have no praise. God. Like we gave him a pattern, We showed him how to do it. Now they’re doing it like that’s awesome. Oh, and

spk_3:   50:45
by the way, you’ve had five kids at this point. And can I say your age? I’m 40. Katie is only 40 years old and to see what God has done with her, and this just with the dreams and hopes that she has is amazing. But the conferences raised up other women are doing. Yeah, you must have been so encouraged when you started hearing these things.

spk_1:   51:08
It took It took a little bit, you know, because you let well, they won’t come to mind. But now the do things And you know, like the devil the devil tries to use everything we can, right, and and now, like it hurts the relationship

spk_0:   51:19
with those people in the community if I claim any credit and it’s not about me anyway, but yet people back home who are funding some of this want to hear that it’s me.

spk_1:   51:30
You know what I mean? Like, there was some of that. But eventually the

spk_0:   51:33
Lord, the Lord allowed us to look at it from Isn’t that amazing? This never happened until you guys gave him an example. Praise the Lord that there is a work going now for women that didn’t exist before. And then I really felt last year like I I wanted to you another conference. But I didn’t really want to do it locally. And so we did it online. And I had

spk_3:   51:56
a brilliant, uh, God given idea, able

spk_1:   51:59
right? And so what? What happened was I just written a character devotional for teens and adults. How knowing who got is effects my character development. And I wanted to translate this book, but I didn’t have the time

spk_0:   52:12
to translate it myself. I didn’t have the money to pay a translator, but I wanted to get this

spk_1:   52:17
book tour. I was like, Oh, well, that would be a great theme for a conference. So we we put up this conference online and we said, It’s gonna be this theme, and I basically taught through my English book from my English notes, but I just did it

spk_0:   52:31
all in Spanish. It was like 10 sessions over a week’s time, and we

spk_1:   52:35
had over 200 women

spk_0:   52:36
registered from all over around the

spk_1:   52:38
was bigger than anything we’ve

spk_0:   52:39
ever done live in our area. And yet when we sent the report back, there was no comment. It was overlooked like that. It doesn’t count because it was online or

spk_1:   52:50
what I was like. I know that was are really like, What do you realise? 200 women just got the gospel in places that I can never physically go. And it doesn’t count his ministry. What are we thinking? So to finish that story, I taught it in Spanish. And so then I was able to get the transcription from the videos, which becomes

spk_0:   53:13
the first, you know, the first draft of the book in Spanish, and so eventually that book will be will be finished and will be out in Spanish. But so that’s how we worked that translation. They used it for two different things at once,

spk_1:   53:24
but that gave us more fuel for what we feel.

spk_0:   53:26
God is calling us into in terms of sort of missionary advocacy, like a business consultant. Normally is someone who grew a business, sold a business, has been on both

spk_1:   53:36
sides of the

spk_0:   53:37
fence and now can advise other people in business, right? So we feel like we did the deputation and raising our support. We went to the mission field. We went through expulsion from mission fields. We went through building up our own ministry. We went

spk_1:   53:50
you like we have lots of different kinds

spk_0:   53:52
of ministry experiences now to draw from. We have been broken and hurt and healed, and now we’re able to use that experience to encourage others who walk in that way. And there are things as a missionary traditionally supported in that way that you just are not free to talk about with anyone. Like sometimes there is literally no safe space at all for you to talk to someone you don’t want to write home or to your supporters because you don’t want to come across, is complaining or because you don’t want to sound ungrateful for what they are doing. And yet there are so many needs. And so maney hurts and traumas and different things that happen that missionaries can become so broken and so hurt. And yet they press on because of their calling, and we at times were so her and no

spk_1:   54:39
one knew the signs or nobody knew what to ask or no one knew how. You really don’t

spk_0:   54:44
until you’ve lived through something like that. But my husband and I now on the other side of that where we’re we’re not making decisions based on who’s going to drop our support if they don’t agree, are free to follow the Lord and

spk_1:   54:57
free to serve him. And we really sees at some

spk_0:   55:00
point in our future, as we’re still even more older

spk_1:   55:03
and wiser. Hopefully that that the Lord may be preparing us for some sort of a missionary advocacy role in which we can be a

spk_0:   55:12
liaison between, ah, hurting missionary and the folks at home who are holding the ropes for them. Or

spk_1:   55:18
be some sort of an education support for for home churches and say, This is what a missionary can’t tell you And if you get a letter that says we had a hard week, but God is good and this happened in this happened in this half and praise the Lord, these are the questions you need to be asking. This is what

spk_0:   55:35
you need to be reading between

spk_3:   55:36
the lines, you know,

spk_1:   55:39
because they’re just people they have. They have hormone swings, and they have teenagers and they have health issues, and they have marriage from there. So there have been studies

spk_0:   55:51
done about the stress levels of missionaries on the foreign field, compared to like that of a paramedic in the US, for instance, my interesting the toll that it takes on your body to live under those constant high stress levels. But a paramedic works three days and has four days off. Works for days has three days off. A missionary is on call 24 7 usually for four years before they get a break. And sometimes that you know, and then you

spk_1:   56:21
do have time for a vacation. You may not have the money. We went 10 years without having any kind

spk_0:   56:27
of an anniversary get away, like maybe a dinner out. But

spk_1:   56:32
we didn’t have anyone

spk_0:   56:33
we could trust with our Children to keep them overnight. And we didn’t have an item. There’s no family nearby when you live in another country, you know. And then and then

spk_1:   56:41
we didn’t have the money to get away anywhere that is,

spk_3:   56:44
you don’t think about right? No,

spk_1:   56:46
right and and all of that, like it brought us together as

spk_0:   56:50
a family, and I’m not complaining at all. Like God, God has totally, totally made us who we are today through all the things that he walked us through. I totally acknowledge that. And but we don’t realize what kind of pressure that puts on a family in, and you’re always under surveillance from the neighbors from the government because you’re there on a visa from the, you know, from the church, people from the whatever from the

spk_1:   57:15
people back home who get instant reports by social media of everything you’re doing or not doing

spk_0:   57:20
right, compared to their view of you in your country and your

spk_1:   57:24
you know. And so there’s all these

spk_0:   57:26
pressures. When you do get a chance for a vacation and then you get

spk_1:   57:30
criticized for going on vacation, How could you leave your ministry for a week? How could you know like I know, So I know a missionary family who took their daughter just Starbucks on her birthday, one Starbucks per year. She went on her birthday. She posted a picture

spk_0:   57:45
on her Facebook of getting her daughter a Starbucks drink on her birthday, and they lost the whole churches support over the fact that they were spending their money on a Starbucks and

spk_1:   57:54
people in the States go to Starbucks every day and never think another thought about it. Like, How is it different? How is it bad to have a special treat, you know, and just the different understandings of like but those of the pressures? That’s what I mean

spk_0:   58:06
when I say you make decisions based on who’s gonna drop us. If they don’t approve of this right, you’re just under such constant pressure from all directions the health pressures, the education pressures, the you know, the

spk_1:   58:17
kids growing up in this mixed culture of like there’s my host country that I live in, and all my friends were here and whatever. And then there’s this home country that is my history and my people, but I never see them or really know them. And when I come, I don’t

spk_0:   58:33
see real life. I just see kind of, you know, two weeks

spk_1:   58:36
of vacation time with the family, you know, and it’s not a real life. My kids think that living

spk_0:   58:40
in America would be amazing because all they know about America is when work

spk_1:   58:44
here visiting family. But that’s not a

spk_0:   58:46
normal, daily, everyday life routine.

spk_3:   58:49
Katie, I I’m going to be praying that the Lord raises This meant ministry up and I’m short. Many who are listening now are just in their hearts saying yes, Lord raised this ministry. I’m really excited to see when what that’s gonna look like. And we have a son who’s preparing to go to the Frances Chan School. Teoh what? You have to be 100% committed to for missions before you join the school. And he really is passionate about far off lands. And just the other people that I’ve talked to you that I’ve known have been in other countries, and I just had no idea about so many of these things that you’re saying and what a beautiful burden. And because you’re so tender hearted and your eyes are looking on, you’re on the mission field. You are there looking at the needs. And, Lord, how can we make a difference? What can we dio? How How will you continue to use or family,

spk_0:   59:52
right, Right. Last year, our family did have a chance to get away for a few days and way, um, one of one of our vehicles. The timing belt died a year and 1/2 ago on the way back from a home school conference. So we’re down to one car for seven of us. So we’re all squished in our tiny little car. We decided to make it work, and we’re going to get away. So we drove

spk_1:   1:0:14
through these tiny little

spk_0:   1:0:15
village roads out to the coast of Saleh soon, which is known for the Flamingos. And we’ve been there now, almost nine years, that we’ve never actually seen where the flamingos are. And so we decided we’re going to take two days and just go and we crammed into the car and we rented one little room. But, you know, and we went out and got the found a boat that would take all of us.

spk_1:   1:0:35
This was like the beginning

spk_0:   1:0:36
of what God used to create the book Faith like flamingos. And I talked about it feeling kind of like that Gilligan’s Island

spk_1:   1:0:42
theme, you know, like the three or tour. But we didn’t shipwreck. So we get in the boat

spk_0:   1:0:48
and we’re going out to look at the flamingos. There’s

spk_1:   1:0:50
just such it was not like you say, flamingos.

spk_0:   1:0:53
in the zoo and

spk_1:   1:0:53
like we all know, the plastic pink flamingo thing right. But to see them in the wild, like when we came

spk_0:   1:0:59
around that corner into the river where the river meets the sea. So it’s out shallow and silt beds and whatever.

spk_1:   1:1:06
And there’s there’s crocodiles, right? So this is like we’re in the wild and you look and you see, like the green of the trees on the horizon and all this expanse of water and like in between the blue and the green, there’s this huge cloud of pink and it is like it just nothing you have ever seen before. And And I was like, I was super excited that this way get closer, we get closer and we’re the guy. He pulled the boat in just a few

spk_0:   1:1:36
feet away from this huge flocks of flamingos. He turned off the motor and lifted up, so it didn’t hit a rock or something on the bottom because it was really shallow.

spk_1:   1:1:43
We got within a few feet of these birds and they completely ignored us. You know, like I’m thinking like, oh, they’re gonna flap or they’re gonna, you know, get close and be curious or we’re going to scare him. And they’re gonna like they seriously

spk_0:   1:1:55
did not care in the least that we were there, like,

spk_1:   1:1:58
just completely nonplussed. Well, this is kind of anticlimactic, you know, like, I don’t know what I was expecting. But where the crocodiles living? Nothing. That was a still this. Yeah, I was just I mean, they were just there, and some of them were, you know, had their heads underwater eating and some of some of them cleaning feathers. And I was just wowed like, this is I’ve never had that kind of experience. The foreign as as a ended,

spk_0:   1:2:19
and we’re headed back over to the beach. I just started thinking about the flamingos and

spk_1:   1:2:24
couldn’t get it

spk_0:   1:2:24
out of my head

spk_1:   1:2:25
there, So oblivious to how unique they are. They’re so oblivious to how much

spk_0:   1:2:29
they stand out and how amazing they are.

spk_1:   1:2:33
And so I got home and I started researching

spk_0:   1:2:35
like Flamingo fax. Right said the teacher in me comes

spk_1:   1:2:37
out and I started researching like their pink all the way through. Their skin is pink, their blood is pink, their flesh is pink, their feathers or pink. When we said Pink. They’re pink inside and outside. They cannot hide the fact that their pain and how many of us try to hide

spk_0:   1:2:52
what we are in the inside.

spk_1:   1:2:53
Oh, I’m a Christian on Sunday and then I go to work the rest of the week and your faith. You can’t separate who you are from what you do is kind of like trying to get the yellow out of an egg yolk. I mean, they weren’t being obnoxious. They weren’t flying in her face with all their pinkness. They were just there and doing what they were created to do and didn’t care who was around or what dangers might

spk_0:   1:3:15
be attracted because of their color. They were just doing what God created them to dio. And so the Lord kept bringing these analogies to me about how so

spk_1:   1:3:25
many Christians are this way and Christians and business. And, you know, on the one hand, all these ladies

spk_0:   1:3:31
that I’m helping build their business and get their message out,

spk_1:   1:3:34
they don’t realize how cool they are, how unique they are, like, you know, do you realize what God has helped you dio to realize what this means for someone to hear what you have to set their nonplussed about it. God created you this white. It’s amazing, right? Yeah. At one point

spk_0:   1:3:52
in our growing our business, I actually had someone tell me, Don’t bring your faith into your business. You’re

spk_1:   1:3:57
gonna turn people off. And I was like, How could I do? How could I not bring faith into my business that it doesn’t mean I cram it down their throats? But I can’t not be who I am. And the Lord has opened so many

spk_0:   1:4:10
doors for us to bring to tell people of Jesus because we are in business because we’re in the places that were in my podcast for your

spk_1:   1:4:19
success. The idea behind that is to get over this.

spk_0:   1:4:22
I’m too small mindset to

spk_1:   1:4:24
get over that. I can’t do that and to live your life that you were created to live without fear. The flamingos don’t fear

spk_0:   1:4:33
that there are a target for the prey because of their color. They don’t fear that their target and where God create, they

spk_1:   1:4:41
just do what they were created to do. And the safest

spk_0:   1:4:46
place for you to be is doing exactly what God created you to Dio that whole Flamingo trip was a huge godsend because the week after we got back from that, we almost lost. My second son, Josiah ended up in the hospital and he ended up with a diabetes. One diagnosis and we almost lost him. That would have been one of our last family times. God spared him. He’s really doing great, and we’re a year later. Now we’re finally able. We’re starting to do the paperwork and things that tried to get him an insulin pump and some of those which is crazy because diabetes in Mexico is like, You can’t even import some of this stuff. And so we’re having to figure out round about ways to get what we needed anyway. Long

spk_1:   1:5:36
story short. So but that was a really

spk_0:   1:5:38
special time for a family. That trip, because of the events the Lord knee would happen after and

spk_3:   1:5:44
how beautiful for your kids toe have it written in a book,

spk_1:   1:5:48
right? Right, And then the second. The second part of that was the book that came from it because, as as he kept

spk_0:   1:5:55
kind of bringing these things to me, I ended up with like 25 different lessons.

spk_1:   1:6:00
25 different cool facts about the Flamingo that I could compare to the women that I serve in business or the men a lot of them, like they’re not gender specific and and share

spk_0:   1:6:09
that these There are biblical principles for how you can be Justus bold in your business and in your uniqueness and

spk_1:   1:6:19
in York all the color that God has given you to walk out your faith

spk_0:   1:6:24
in what he’s called you to Dio. And so that became the basis of that book. And then we have a Bible study coming out later this year. And it’s just been a really cool thing to be able to use a quirky creation of the Lord to inspire people to be who God created them to

spk_2:   1:6:41
be. Here is your ps some experts about our guest. Are you ready for some questions? Sure. Get your

spk_3:   1:6:53
daughter ever get a bike?

spk_1:   1:6:54
Yes, Yes, we did get

spk_0:   1:6:57
her another bike and we’ve We’ve had multiple bike. So the And now we have this beautiful boardwalk by the sea that we can take our bikes to ride in the mornings and the evenings, and it’s it’s a nice thing

spk_3:   1:7:09
do any of your kids want to start a business?

spk_1:   1:7:13
So my oldest is an artist, and she has already sold her art. And actually, her art is on the cover

spk_0:   1:7:19
of Faith Like flamingos. It’s her first book cover that she’s done.

spk_1:   1:7:24
She did it, Yeah, yes, So? So that’s exciting. She sold some other

spk_0:   1:7:28
prints, and then, um, my second daughter and my my older son are really close. And they have recently started writing a comic story, and they are illustrating and things as well. So lots of entrepreneurial ideas. My six year old was making Valentine cards to try to sell to her brothers and sisters to make money. You know, like so great. Definitely in the family.

spk_3:   1:7:51
What would you say to someone who wants to be a missionary?

spk_0:   1:7:55
Oh, that’s a hard one. I think initially my heart hurts for them because I know the journey. God is about to take them on. I never say no. I never say Don’t do it. I don’t discourage. But there are so many hard and wonderful things ahead. God doesn’t promise that things are gonna be easy. He promises that he will walk you through that

spk_3:   1:8:23
What would you say to someone who thinks they might be struggling with postpartum depression? Or that another mom friend of theirs might be?

spk_0:   1:8:31
Ask if they need help? Asked specific questions. You know, like, How are you handling it when the baby is crying all afternoon? Or do you need someone to come and spend some time with you? Or is there a particular time that you’re struggling? More that I need to call and check in on You?

spk_3:   1:8:48
Tell me about your city.

spk_0:   1:8:50
Oh, I love my city. Come phe Mexico is the capital city of the state of camp, itchy and on the map. If you follow the Texas Gulf Coast all the way down to the bottom like if you were to put a ping Pong ball in that circle on the map, it’s gonna rest at the bottom. That’s about where we are right before you get into the peninsula. So all the waves from the Caribbean are coming in towards the Gulf Coast and they pass us. We’re below that. Our water is really calm on.

spk_1:   1:9:20
This is one of the first places that Europeans landed in the New

spk_0:   1:9:23
World. And so we’ve got a lot of Mayan history, plus a lot of European history are the home that we live in is over 250 years old, and we’re two blocks from the city walls. It’s one of the only remaining walled cities in the Caribbean, because in the 17 hundreds they started building walls around the city to protect from pirate attacks, you know, and by the

spk_1:   1:9:44
time the walls and the forts up on the hills were done, there

spk_0:   1:9:46
was no more pirates, and so they’ve been very well preserved. And we have museums and we have a lot of cultural arts, and there are sent out days. The fresh water, underground pools and there are caves, and it’s just a beautiful place to live. Lots of fun experiences. It’s extremely hot, like it’s it’s over 90 degrees for 10 months out of the year, but it’s

spk_3:   1:10:10
beautiful. Can you say something to our Spanish speaking listeners about your books or your ministry? Or reverse?

spk_1:   1:10:20
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spk_0:   1:10:22
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spk_3:   1:11:01
mean God s Yes, tell us about your podcast.

spk_0:   1:11:05
Okay, so I do have a podcast in Spanish and it is called a catty. And that means basically, ask Katie right? And so I answer questions not

spk_3:   1:11:17
not pregnant for the gringos out there,

spk_1:   1:11:20
right? Right. But I want that I got the means. Ask a like ask 80

spk_0:   1:11:24
your questions. And so we collect the questions from our Spanish audience about home schooling, and I just answer questions and I’ll say today

spk_1:   1:11:30
our questions are from Guatemala and Mexico in

spk_0:   1:11:32
Texas, and then we’ll answer questions. And then my English podcast is called for your success. And

spk_1:   1:11:39
that’s more lifestyle, business, some technical episodes,

spk_0:   1:11:42
some more inspirational motivational type episodes, some interviews as well, and getting the message out to encourage or people that way.

spk_3:   1:11:52
What would you say to someone who wants to write a book? Do

spk_1:   1:11:55
it to go in today. Ah, book is one of the best

spk_0:   1:11:58
ways to preserve your message for future generations. The books that that I ever and and and we’ve self published most of them. We’ve had seven Amazon bestsellers. It’s because this message needs to at last it needs to get out there and make a difference. And I want my kids to know it. I want my grandkids to know what my great, great like I want people to be able to pass this on. And a book is the easiest format currently to be able to do that and but also like things like podcasts and online courses and videos and things like just do something to start getting that message out. Did you ever want to quit? Oh, I quit about once a month or more.

spk_1:   1:12:39
I actually did a podcast episode on this recently because people people feel like, Well, you heard me with all that I can’t write and then you start listening to that listening to yourself. I do quit like almost once a month, but what I realized when that

spk_0:   1:12:55
happens is I’m usually myself focused. I’m overwhelmed. I’ve let things get to me from the outside in. And I’m not focusing on who my people are and how God has called me to serve them. So I will take

spk_1:   1:13:06
some time away, Have your cry. Nothing wrong with that. Get some sleep,

spk_0:   1:13:11
get a new perspective, talk to the Lord about it. And usually you can regain your focus and get right back in. But I don’t think giving up

spk_1:   1:13:19
is ever an option.

spk_0:   1:13:20
But I think quitting and in terms of quitting, being overwhelmed, to be able to refocus your vision and your motivation is is something we all need to do on a regular races.

spk_3:   1:13:34
How is the how do you have time for the coffee shop

spk_1:   1:13:37
here about the coffee shop on?

spk_3:   1:13:38
I got the kids help with that. I don’t

spk_0:   1:13:40
know. Imagine them helping. Yes. Yes. So, um, one of the rooms in the home is right off the kitchen, and it

spk_1:   1:13:46
opens to the street where all the buses passed. Like people wait

spk_0:   1:13:50
on our doorstep to catch the bus all day long.

spk_1:   1:13:52
And so we’re like, Okay, great. We’ll move Our Sunday services to this room will just open it to the public. Maybe we’ll make a coffee shop right. Our girls were getting to

spk_0:   1:14:02
be teenagers, and we thought, What a great way to give them some work experience and also sort of just create a family ministry. And so we We found a used espresso maker from someone else and put

spk_1:   1:14:16
some tables and chairs in the room and fixed it up and opened it up with a sign and coffee and free coffee on Sunday with Bible study and things and said, That’s how we did

spk_0:   1:14:25
that last year of that church plant Ministry was through the coffee shop and we actually, interestingly enough, it was more tourists or more outsiders who found us like through Google maps

spk_1:   1:14:38
and things looking up. Then it was locals coming in. That’s also he showed up on Google backs. We, uh, yeah, because you can list

spk_0:   1:14:47
your business and a lot of the A lot of the tourists know how to look for things that way.

spk_3:   1:14:50
So how has God used your business for ministry?

spk_4:   1:14:55
Oh,

spk_0:   1:14:57
God has opened some amazing doors through our businesses, Minister.

spk_1:   1:15:01
And you know, when we started. We got all kinds of criticism like, How can you be a missionary and start a business?

spk_0:   1:15:05
And we’re like, Well, we can’t support our families that we got

spk_1:   1:15:07
to do something, you know? But how do you have time to do both

spk_0:   1:15:11
in the largest multiplies your time to do what he’s called you to Dio and so many of the ministry opportunities we have had to do because of being in business, you know, as as a missionary, as a minister or as a Bible school teacher, You can’t just walk up to CEO’s of multi $1,000,000 companies and have conversations like it’s just not expected, right? It’s not appropriate and it’s not invited. But when you’re in business and you’re you’re at these events where you’re both learning how to apply the same things to your business, it’s not on for you to be ableto have deep, meaningful conversations with people who otherwise would have never given you the time of day. And I’ve had a experiences where I’ve gotten to give the gospel to young Asian corporate executives and where I’ve gotten to give business advice and a hug to which doctor who was

spk_1:   1:16:08
having a bad day, and when you come in on the business level, it’s almost like

spk_0:   1:16:14
it takes away the Their guard is down, you’re

spk_1:   1:16:18
in a neutral place and they’re they’re It’s not like

spk_0:   1:16:22
they’re walking into a church and they know what to expect to hear from

spk_1:   1:16:25
you, right. But because you

spk_0:   1:16:27
are able to walk out your faith in business, they’re they’re drawn to you, Really, like we’ve had multiple times where people have come up to us and said, You just radiate Peacefulness. Tell me what it is about you that does this. He

spk_1:   1:16:41
gets an open invitation we had when we did that conference for the 5000 Spanish people, the big one last year I had someone from a a non believing cult at a business conference come up to me and give me a gift again. Gifts is one of my love languages, all right, and I was really

spk_0:   1:17:03
trepidatious about pouring all of our efforts into this conference at this point, and I felt like the Lord had

spk_1:   1:17:09
confirmed some things at

spk_0:   1:17:10
this event, but I wasn’t really sure the Lord used this person who was very open about being part of this thing. She she came up to me. She gave

spk_1:   1:17:19
me a gift. She said I have been wearing

spk_0:   1:17:21
this all week and it’s a special stone and Bob, but you know, whatever it is that she would she believed in on and it has these powers and blah, blah blah, she said. It has

spk_1:   1:17:30
the power to get you through whatever hurdle you are facing. And I have this really strong

spk_0:   1:17:37
feeling like I am supposed to give it to you. Of all the 1500 people at this event, you keep coming to mind. I keep seeing you and I just feel like you need this and she’s like and I have no clue what you dio or what your faith And I said, Well, let

spk_1:   1:17:53
me tell you, it’s like we’re about to put on this home school event and we want to reach At that point, our my goal was 1000. We want to reach 1000 families, you know, and it ended up reaching over 5000 you know. But I went back and told my house. I said, This has got to work because God has got unbelievers watching, and if he doesn’t

spk_0:   1:18:15
come through for us. It’s gonna be a bad testimony to them.

spk_1:   1:18:20
That’s how I know it’s gonna work, because he’s used an unbeliever to encourage

spk_0:   1:18:25
me in the work he’s given me to do

spk_1:   1:18:27
so that he can go back and show them he did so much

spk_0:   1:18:31
more than they expected. Isn’t her God amazing?

spk_3:   1:18:35
What do you see? A Z The great needs in the American church

spk_0:   1:18:40
Getting back to the knowledge of the truth. We have allowed the enemy in the church world wide to come in and make the non issues the big issues,

spk_3:   1:18:52
like carpet in music and,

spk_1:   1:18:55
well, carpet in music. But even

spk_0:   1:18:57
themes like identity, you know, knowing who you are in crisis important. But it’s only important when you know who got is first, you know, because if you don’t know who got is and have a full understanding of him, then who you are in him doesn’t have much significance. True, right? And so when we focus so much on you, it’s inward and not upward. And I really think that the enemy is using good themes to distract us from the real message and the real

spk_3:   1:19:28
truth. What do you love about your husband in each of your Children,

spk_0:   1:19:33
huh? I love my husband is my rock number one. A lot of people mistakenly assumed that I’m the leader or that this, you know, she runs the show, are she wears the pants or, you know, we’ve heard it all because I’m the public face. I’m the teacher, and in both of the businesses, I’m the one on the videos, you know? But my husband is very much the rock and the decision maker and the head of everything that goes on behind the scenes, all the decisions. You know, we talk obviously on a daily basis because we do this together. But then we also do you have planned, like, regular business meetings to talk through business stuff. And this is what’s coming up And what do you think and what do we do? And how does this fit into our vision and very much a leader. And

spk_1:   1:20:21
I’m so

spk_0:   1:20:21
proud of what God’s done in him through the years to because we neither of us, is who we were when we got married. God has changed us so much. And I saw a cartoon of a butterfly and a caterpillar having coffee at this table. The caterpillar looks at the butterfly and he’s like,

spk_1:   1:20:39
Dude, you’ve changed and the butterfly looks back is aren’t we supposed to? Sometimes we have this idea that that who you were when I knew you 20 years ago is who you will always be, and that is so debilitating because God is always

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changing us and sanctifying us through those things that he walks us through. And my husband is so much more than it. Like he was awesome when we got married. But I respect him so much more now for his calmness in his his quiet leadership and his. He doesn’t like to argue and debate, but he definitely knows what his standards and his opinions are. And he does not back down from those and watching him lead our family through hard decisions. In the midst of criticism from authorities and criticism from people that we loved and him saying No, this is what God wants us to do, and we’re going to keep

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doing it until God says different. No matter what they say,

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you know, he’s just he’s amazing and I could not do what I do without him and at home. It’s definitely a tag team as well, with the with the kids with the home schooling with the cooking with the cleaning with like the Casey Shrunk the Coffee shop. It’s all it’s all a team effort, and we communicate very well. We’ve been forced to create that really tight relationship where we we have to be a team because we have been are only support system for so long. So he’s amazing. My oldest daughter is an artist she actually painted. It’s a watercolor art that she did for the cover of Faith. Like Flamingos.

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Soto have are was her first book cover, and it made bestseller and

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said that also gives her another feather in her hat. And I’m so pleased that she was long to dio excited for her. But she sold other art pieces and loves painting, and she loves animals, and she’s very compassionate and anyone who’s hurting she just hurts right along without minutes. It’s beautiful. My second daughter is much like me, but she has the the quiet, service oriented manner of her father, and she under she can anticipate needs of people. I is uncanny, like she almost can know what you need before you know you need it. Um, and

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that’s a good person to have in the family.

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She’s amazing, especially

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when we do conferences and things. She’s an awesome help, but

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she’s learning social, some social media skills,

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and she’s also she likes to draw comic art and is her and her brother are working on a story right now in illustrating it. So that’s kind of fun. And then my oldest son is a strategy guy and a comedian. Um, he loves numbers and strategies and patterns and

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language arts not so much, but his his language skills. Like any time someone says something, he’s twisting it

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and making a funny comment and, like mealtimes, are hilarious because of him. We love him and then just IA with the one that we almost lost the diabetes as I

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don’t I don’t know

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what he’s gonna be when he’s big, he just His answer is, I want to tell people about Jesus, you know, and he’s He’s never been afraid of any. He’s never Before he had the diabetes diagnosis and other health things. He almost never even felt pain, which is very interesting to me, Um, he’s just he’s thick any strong, and he’s energetic, and he’s like he’s as

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happy. I’ve standing on his head as he is on his feet, and he’s a very kinesthetic learner. Like half of his

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math time, he has to be seated on the rocking horse so that, you know the mind works while the Bodies Today and Justin, Amazing Kid and then Our Baby is six and her naming sanctuary. And she was conceived in Born in Camp Itchy, which God used as thes sanctuary, the safe and holy place of healing for our family. And she is just our sunshine. She’s a bright light. She’s got a lot of the others in her, and she’s very wordy. She’s very flowery with her vocal, with her love and her, her graciousness and her thanks and just she’s She’s a little spitfire to, but so they all have unique qualities, and we have an amazing, definitely not boring family time.

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I

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can’t wait to follow you throughout the years and see how the Lord develops each of their talents and keep spraying you and your husband through more ups and downs on closeness and what is your favorite book of the Bible and why

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I think I would have to say that gospels are my foot.

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I know you said one, but, um, I love the stories of Jesus, and story is my word this year. Oh, and so the Lord is working on me to both focus more on stories in my teachings and in in the stories that I tell podcast stories and all these different things, but also the stories of Jesus, the stories off, the things that he did in the words that he said the people that he impacted I just I love I’m reading about Luke right now. Ah, historical fiction novel about Lukes life. And Luke never knew the Messiah in person, but And he was a slave who was given his freedom and was trained to be a physician. But he loved history as well and ultimately became the historian that wrote parts of the Gospels about how human Jesus waas and just still be God, and that that’s just fascinating to me. And to see all of the things that Jesus dead for his people and that we can pull even into our business and our marketing and different. I just love it.

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What person or character in the Bible do you most relate to and why I’ve

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been doing

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a study of the

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queen’s in the Bible? Oh, in our Queen’s

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Mastermind is for women of faith in business that are are scaling their business and growing and thinking about leadership and legacy. And so our curriculum revolves around Queens and being the good Queen, and we’re taking the stories of biblical queens and historical queens and looking at their character and the things that they accomplished during their times in history and the the legacy impact that those have had on their cultures and their nations and their people. What a great study. Yeah, it’s been fascinating and and we

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one of the I don’t know if she’s I don’t know if I have a favorite, but one of them that was super impactful. Waas Queen Vashti. She literally has two verses in the Book of Esther, which doesn’t even mention God, right? But we all immediately seem

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vax. She was an evil queen. She disobeyed her husband. She was kicked out.

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But when you look at the cultural context of that time and all the

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different innuendos and all of the things that happened in palace life and all of that kind of stuff. In those days.

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She was doomed

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if she didn’t doomed if she didn’t and she had decisions to make that were hard decisions for her people and and what the king was asking her to do would have been political suicide for him had she had she cooperated and certain death for her if she didn’t. And it’s just super interesting to see the character off this woman. And

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in other cases where we have

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examples of bad women in the Bible,

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we don’t always have their names. God doesn’t even give

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them the benefit of having their name go down in history. And yet Vashti does, and women for years to come are looking back at her.

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She was the Onley. This man ruled

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the entire world, so to speak. And she

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was the only one

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in the kingdom with the guts to tell him no for his own good Well, and she sacrificed her life and her reputation for his benefit. And God honored her, I believe, by recording her name in the annals

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of history. This wraps up another story of how our great God is at work in our hearts and in our world. To find out more about this podcast, follow letters from home on Instagram, Facebook or email me Meg Least er and L F h podcast at gmail dot com would left answer any questions or start a conversation to find out more about Katie. Search Katie horner dot com h o R N o r and follow her on Instagram or Facebook and you confined her latest bestseller, Faith Like Flamingos at any Barnes and Noble bookstore or on Amazon. In our show notes, I will list many other of her links mentioned during our conversation. Second, Corinthians 33 and

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you show that you are a letter from Christ delivered by us, right and not with ink

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but with the spirit of the living god, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.